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Well i finally broke down and called the lhs and had them set a savage aside for me. Soooo heres a quick question for you savage owners,i have had alot of MT's but this is the first savage i have owned. What if any is the weak points of the savage? I figure i'll take an extra$100 or so with me to pick it up and would like to get some aftermarket parts for it and start toughing it up before it even leaves the workbench. Any sugg's? Is the steering servo decent in the kit? Frame durable? shocks ok? etc......

BTW i'm getting the .21 savage instead of the new.25.....i have never keep a stock motor in a truck for more than a gallon before upgrading anyway so i figured why waste the $$....plus they had one .21 left for $350...can't pass that up!
Thanks guys

Maxxoverkill:jet:
 
Well you could get either the HB brake kit or the dual disk HPI brake disk kit. The stock brake is fine, but it won't cut it when you upgrade the engine. I blew mine in half a tank when I got my hyper 8.

The steering servo could be upgraded. Switch the stock one to the throttle if you do.

Um, you'll probably strip the rims so you might wanna get some different ones instead. I can't remember if the stock savage rims are glued or not?

That's the weak points I can think of that would probably need replacing pretty quick.

A good upgrade is CVD's all around. But that can come later.
 
you asked what the weak aspects are:

Originally posted by SkyMaxx

1. Dogbones - the "old" stock dogbones had a designe flaw that made them prone to shearing near the ends. This issue has been addressed by HPI and anyone with the flawed bones are entitled to a free upgrade to the new version. Contact HPI for the info. How do you know if you have the old ones? Look near the end of the bone shaft. You will see that it maintains diameter constant until a point near each end of the shaft, and then it takes a very sharp decrease in diameter. This step off is the shear point.
2. The fuel systems of most RCs are self leaning. There is very little you can do to counter this. There are a bunch of imaginative ideas out there that have worked, but the best one I have seen to date is to tune the engine while it has only half a tank of fuel in the tank. This will make the engine run slightly rich on a full tank, just right near the middle of the tank and slightly lean near empty. This means that performance will actually increase as the tank empties.
3. The shocks tend to be a weak point. The stock shocks are of good design, but the exposed nature of the shocks and the long shafts tend to make them open targets for bent shafts. The only solutions I am aware of are: A.) Get a upgraded set, B.) Get the New Era upper a-arm that takes T-Maxx shocks, C.) Keep a spare set of stockers in your kit as a replacement set should you need them.
4. The fuel tank/shock tower massacre. The screw on the rear tower tends to puncture the tank on really hard landings or lid down landings. The solution, as mentioned above, is to put the head of the screw holding the shocks to the tower closest to the tank with the nut being closest to the rear of the truck. You can also glue some closed cell foam to the upper back portion of the tank to provide a little impact protection.
5. The tanks primer is a point of leakage as it gets older. It can turn into an airleak that robs the engine of power and fuel down the road. You can remove the primer (several ideas on this one) or replace the tank with a primerless tank (only a couple of options here).
6. The engine is a performer if broken in properly and tuned well, but it is still underpowered. Many people upgrade the engine as one of the first performance hop ups to the Savage. The engines of choice right now appear to be the Picco .26 Outlaw and the Ofna Hyper 21 8-Port (I run the Hyper).
7. HPI addressed an issue they had internal to the tranny, but it does not hurt to verify that it is done. There is a set screw (grub screw) that has a tendancy to back out. The solution (and HPI does this for you on the latest runs of Savages) is to open the tranny and apply loctite to the screw.
From this point, the rest of the issues are owner preferences. You can upgrade the steering servo to a high torque for better performance. If you upgrade the engine, the stock HPI rims will not handle the torque and you will end up replacing them when the wheel hexes destroy the socket they rest in on the rim. There are numerous other upgrades you can make. I'll let others give you some ideas, but believe me the truck is great and the upgrades are only limited by your wallet size.

The Savage 25 RTR fixed manu of the Savage 21's problems. Some may still exist. You may still be able to puncture the gass tank with the screw on the shock towers, but I haven't heard.

I currently don't own a MT. The Savage 25 will probably be it. Unless they update the Savage SS kit with the improvements before I'm in the market.

-Rob
 
you should get a bigger air filter because the one on it gets clogged up fast
 
oh yeah, the air filter. I couldn't even get my 21bb to run with that damn thing. It was WAAAYYY too restrictive
 
Thanks for the helpfull info guys its appreciated. Well i got it last night and i also picked up the machined alum. threaded shocks made by hot bodies for it,and the el camino body which i'm gonna attack with the airbrush tonight:yes:

Next week it will get large air filter,better brakes,new hi-torque MG servo,and a new tuned pipe. I was lookin at the new pipe that is out now for the savage with the "side pipe" mounted on the pipe. Anyone use one of these yet and offer some info on how it performs and sounds?

If i get the body done tonight i'll post a pic of it,the shocks are already mounted:ahh:

Later :microwave
 
Ya know i had seen pics of the elky body in mags but never seen one up close till yesterday and after seeing how realistic it is and the detail of the blower i had to have it:hump:

I'm lookin at ideas right now for a paint scheme.....i'll tryin get some pic's up late tonight!

Maxxoverkill

hmmmmm............does this mean i'm gonna have to change my name now..lol. naw i still love my maxx:thumbup:
 
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Oh man I wish I had come across this thread earlier!! You should return the HB threaded shocks ASAP.They are crap and you will bend every single shock shaft your first time out!!!!The stock ones are about the best ones out so far.Just get some stiffer springs and some good silicone shock fluid and you'll be fine.
 
DOH!! well i already have them on the truck:opps: so dont know if they would give me a problem takin them back. I guess if they start givin me problems then i'll get a different brand. I just dont like the stock plastic ones and there little preload clips. Thanks for the info.

Hotbodies if my shafts bend you will hear from me......:stickup:
 
Yeah Rex is correct. I have read about people having alot of problems with those shocks. Maybe you will get lucky. :) I was thinking about upgrading my shocks but instead I just went to heavier springs and that did the trick for me.
 
I know that some .21 Savages came with the rear shock bolts backwards that punctured the gas tank. Well, rubbed and eventually punctured. Be sure of that and turn it around if need be. Dogbones were bad. Check to see if you've got the shiny chrome ones. Buy and extra steering servo saver. Mine went out after about 2 gallons. Wouldn't hurt to have an extra spur gear. That's about all I can remember on mine.
 
Shock bolt has good clearence between it and tank so no prob there,dog bones are not shiny ones so dont know if thats good or bad but ethier way no biggie i plan on getting a complete set of cvd's for it in a week. I will plan on getting a good servo saver when i get the new hi-torque servo next week. Thanks guys!

Gotta get back to painting the new body right now,besides i think my tmaxx and savage are downstairs fightin while i'm sittin here:stick: lol
 
Well, if you're getting CVD's, then oh well. I did manage to snap my center front driveshaft. I don't know if the complete set includes the center drives.
 
If your going to keep the HB shocks you can use the stock HPI shock shafts.They are stronger than the ones that come with the HB shocks.I have bent several stock shafts as well but not as easy as the HB shocks.HB may have updated the newer sets but I doubt it.The problem is the shock bodies.HB drilled the holes to big and the shafts move back and forth and this causes the shafts to bend.What I did was use 20wt shock oil and stiffer springs to keep some of the stress off of the shafts.
 
Its good to know that the stock shafts will fit!

If the HB shafts are bending then whats your thought on sending the shafts out for heat treating. I send stuff all the time at work and could do it no problem,just a thought.

Maxx
 
Well it's not really the shafts themselves.On mine I can move the shaft around and this is the problem.When it binds the shaft bends.Take one of your shocks off and see if your shock shaft moves around.If the shaft moves under heavy impact it binds in the shock body and bends the shaft.Yours may not do this if HB fixed the problem but mine and alot of other guys do.Heat treating the shafts may make them more durable but if you land wrong and the shaft binds they will still bend.Here is an article from SC that explains a little better.

http://www.savage-central.com/ftopic1423.html
 
Thanks Rex, i'll pull one of the shock apart tommorow and see if it has any slop in it,and thanks for the link,i didnt even know that site existed!

Maxx:flaming:
 
Thats a great site for Savage info and the guys their are cool.They even have their own store and carry alot of hard to find hop up parts for the Savage.Great people to deal with!I've learned alot off of that site!!
 
Ok guys here it is with the body i just finished for it,will get another batch of hop ups thrown at it next weekend but i am ready to break it in tommorow weather permiting!
 

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