Actually I really can't say nothing Chris because I haven't matched up a mad force yet, but I have seen one run with a good tune. Doesn't look like it even comes close, now all I am talking about is bottom end-off the line acceleration. The Savage is the closest matched. But then there is the whole thing with handling. And from what I can see a Savage can hang with a stadium! I will own one:devious: I know some people were concerned about the soft suspension on the Savage not being able to take jumps....wrong that thing is a dream to jump, the landings are the smoothest I've seen yet.