Nitro poisoning.

[h8z2luze]

Yet another reason to....Piss on Nitro!

Agreed! I only have to worry about my lipos blowing up now lol.

 

[hamz9561]

Agreed! I only have to worry about my lipos blowing up now lol.

And if they're not hardcases then you the shrapnel doesn't hurt as much.....

 

[moe7404]

to: darkslayer so you think its safe to breath nitric acid?

 

[darkslayor24]

to: darkslayer so you think its safe to breath nitric acid?

i never said it was safe I'm just saying that breathing alittle bit of it in isnt going to do to much to you. if your used to the fumes you can breath it in for hours without even getting lightheaded.

 

[HPIguy]

An interesting asides....

Motorbikes these days are fitted with a thing called "Secondary Air System". It's a one way reed valve on the exhaust port that uses the vacuum effect (T bar fitting across a high speed flow line = vacuum on the 'stem' of the T) to draw fresh air from the air filter and mix it with the hot exhaust gas. Any unburnt fuel being spat out the exhaust will suddenly find itself in a relatively oxygen rich and VERY hot environment, causing it to ignite.

It's to lower emissions of carbureted bikes, which are designed so you don't have to tune them and they can run from 0 foot ASL to 10,000ft ASL in all climates. Thus they are often setup quite rich and spit unburnt petrol fuel out.

Most are moving to be fuel injection now.

And that setup works about as well as most things designed on paper by guys who don't actually ride the death traps they create. They don't run properly at 1800ft, much less at 10,000ft. I have a 2008 DRZ400sm, and all '08s had to pre-meet 2010 EPA regs. The bikes are actually usually WAY on the lean side, and starved for fuel to get through the EPA regs. Mine like to have got me killed a few times mid corner, I'd roll on the throttle to start standing the bike back up, and it would cough, wheeze, and almost fall over. NOT FUN.

2 stroke bikes (like 50cc scooters) by the way do more environmental damage in 10 miles than an SUV in 100. Cause they spit out unburnt fuel, burn oil and spit unburnt oil out the exhaust. Not nice for good old mother nature.

Neat trick I seen on a scooter. Might work on a nitro. Fill your exhaust pipe full of WD40 when the engine is hot, start the engine and light the stinger with a match! Blue flame for the WIN... err. Probably FAIL!

On a 4 stroke all you need is an open core exhaust (see race exh), and the kill switch.....although a pumper carb makes a bigger bang. While in gear going down the road, hold the kill switch in and give the throttle a good wromp, then let off the kill switch..........BOOM! Great for waking up that b**ch in the SUV texting, and lots of fun in tunnels too! Not so great for the exhaust packing though, and can blow your silencer open like you'd taken a can opener to it if you get really greedy.

Edit: Here you go, this guy has pretty much the same setup as me.

 

[westie06516]

Well it does cause cancer in California you know! Seriously, hope you're feeling better. Just imagine the top fuel pit crew people who inhale that crap day in day out.

On the weekends I drag race a street legal 8.218 @ 153.7 mph 1996 camaro z28. I run it with open headers that exit just at the end of the front fender. With the mix of burnt premium or alcohol fuel coming out of the headers, plus the smoke from the slicks when I warm them up in the pit (which fills my car up and I have to open the door for about a minute to get the smoke out so I can see and pull up to the staging line)...yea...inhaling all that throughout a day can get you dizzy and feeling like your floating...sometimes I get nose bleeds if I run my car too rich and turn up the boost on the turbo because more fuel is burnt causing a lot more exhaust to come out. I don't have a pit crew...just a few buds who help out in between their runs or that tag along...but it does get to you...I know through first hand experience.

Paul, I had a similar incident with nitro fuel as well when I first got my nitro street car. I was trying to open a gallon bottle and the seal was a pain...I was trying to twist and yank it off and as I did I literally got a half a gallon of it all over my arms, hands, and chest...except I got a bad burning sensation and had a rash for a few days, don't remember if I got the dizzy feeling though...but I'm sure I did lol.

A year ago I was working on my car in a closed garage during the weekend and I had a fuel leak and was looking all over the lines, the cell, and trying to pin point it...ended up inhaling too much in a confined area and got really sick and had to spend a night in the hospital to monitor my oxygen level.

So regardless of any fuel or fumes that anything with a combustible engine...just gotta be careful and make sure to keep your hands clean and be out in open spaces with fresh air.

ok, I'm a little late into this, but for the person who said dragracers wear masks to keep the fumes out...WRONG! you still breath just as many fumes through that mask. the mask is a fire retardent mask, not an airflow mask! this comming from a racer himself

Yea the masks don't do much. I have to wear a full fire proof suit with shoes and gloves, 3 layers of mask + a helmet (horrible to be in during the summer or anytime the outside temperature gets over 80 F). What do you race dark? What kind or race? strip, circuit, auto x?

 

[2revo1maxx]

man o man cig while handling liquids that burn? ill suprise you, i dont think thats real dangers.
why? well iam not sure if this is true. but years ago a guy was painting while smoking. he said the cig can't light something on fire unless you knocked fire off of the cig. and the pant vapor had to be so thick you could not see 3 ft for it to be enough to light. now i dont know this is true, its just what an old welder told me. how ever what happens to the fuel vapor as it goes through the cig and on into you? i was a machinist for 25 years, at a large aircraft mfg. they took out most or all flamable liquids, ie the ones used to clean machines and parts. and replaced them with synthetic liquids. better? no! still can't smoke around them cause when the vapor went through throu the cig it made toixic gass.

I've put cigs OUT in gasoline. They will rarely be able to light gas, you have to puff on it a few times, maybe that would get it hot enough to work. I don't know about nitro.

On the weekends I drag race a street legal 8.218 @ 153.7 mph 1996 camaro z28. I run it with open headers that exit just at the end of the front fender. With the mix of burnt premium or alcohol fuel coming out of the headers, plus the smoke from the slicks when I warm them up in the pit (which fills my car up and I have to open the door for about a minute to get the smoke out so I can see and pull up to the staging line)...yea...inhaling all that throughout a day can get you dizzy and feeling like your floating...sometimes I get nose bleeds if I run my car too rich and turn up the boost on the turbo because more fuel is burnt causing a lot more exhaust to come out. I don't have a pit crew...just a few buds who help out in between their runs or that tag along...but it does get to you...I know through first hand experience.

Paul, I had a similar incident with nitro fuel as well when I first got my nitro street car. I was trying to open a gallon bottle and the seal was a pain...I was trying to twist and yank it off and as I did I literally got a half a gallon of it all over my arms, hands, and chest...except I got a bad burning sensation and had a rash for a few days, don't remember if I got the dizzy feeling though...but I'm sure I did lol.

A year ago I was working on my car in a closed garage during the weekend and I had a fuel leak and was looking all over the lines, the cell, and trying to pin point it...ended up inhaling too much in a confined area and got really sick and had to spend a night in the hospital to monitor my oxygen level.

So regardless of any fuel or fumes that anything with a combustible engine...just gotta be careful and make sure to keep your hands clean and be out in open spaces with fresh air.



Yea the masks don't do much. I have to wear a full fire proof suit with shoes and gloves, 3 layers of mask + a helmet (horrible to be in during the summer or anytime the outside temperature gets over 80 F). What do you race dark? What kind or race? strip, circuit, auto x?

Is that 1000 ft or 1320?

 

[PaulC]

I've put cigs OUT in gasoline. They will rarely be able to light gas, you have to puff on it a few times, maybe that would get it hot enough to work. I don't know about nitro.

I know that cigarettes will usually not light petrol, I wouldn't try holding it too long in the vapor though. While the actual ember on the end of a cigarette is lower temp than the ignition temp of petrol, if you watch cigarettes burn long enough you will occasionally see a tiny fragment of material go super hot, not the normal orange glow, but yellow or even white hot like a spark. That WILL probably ignite the petrol vapor.

A big risk with alcohol fires is they are very hard to see in daylight cause they burn with a very light blue flame. I have seen a few videos of pit fires in Indi car on TV where people are scattering and fire extinguishers going off all over the place, but couldn't see any flames!

What I was more worried about is.... the cigarette has to be lit first.... with a lighter and naked flame

 

[moe7404]

well i am glad you young guys know so much. i was standing around aa/fd cars decades before you were born. i was at the first national drags in 1955 in greatbend ks. slayer has a point, a small amount is no big deal, but i am not going to be the genee pig. how do you measure the amount at the track?

 

[Scrogg]

This place is full of know it alls. Makes it fun for the smartasses. Al I know is any engine exhaust fumes burns the piss out of my eyes and gives me a headache be it Nitometh, methanol, gasser, 2-stroke....
Let's leave the poor old dead horse be. Don't drink your R/C fuel, don't bathe in it either.

 

[hamz9561]

This place is full of know it alls. Makes it fun for the smartasses. Al I know is any engine exhaust fumes burns the piss out of my eyes and gives me a headache be it Nitometh, methanol, gasser, 2-stroke....
Let's leave the poor old dead horse be. Don't drink your R/C fuel, don't bathe in it either.

Sorry, Scrogg, but if they do bathe in it does that mean that they fuel around and make an ash of themselves?

 

[westie06516]

Is that 1000 ft or 1320?

2revo1...a 1/4 mile strip is 1,320 feet. A 1/8 mile is 660 feet. I don't like the 1/8 mile strips because they aren't long enough to get you up to speed. I did have the opportunity to run a mile long strip and that was just amazing...came close to hitting 190mph...mind you I was running a tranny/rear end/gear ratio set up primarily to lay down brute force in the 1/4 mile.

 

[Scrogg]

Sorry, Scrogg, but if they do bathe in it does that mean that they fuel around and make an ash of themselves?

LMAO!! I like that.... didn't I just mention something about smartasses.
Natural selection, survival of the fittest....not the dumbasses. Mother Nature has it under control, we need to quit interrupting her!

 

[jschleer]

ok, I'm a little late into this, but for the person who said dragracers wear masks to keep the fumes out...WRONG! you still breath just as many fumes through that mask. the mask is a fire retardent mask, not an airflow mask! this comming from a racer himself

I don't think he was talking about the masks they wear in the car while racing. I think he was talking about the pit crew and driver when they do the warm up before the next round. they wear gas masks! and if you've never been to a NHRA national event, then you probably don't know why. You literally can't stand within 30 ft of a top fuel dragster without loosing your breathe and your eyes and nose running down your face. But, then again they are burning 90% nitromethane!

 

[darkslayor24]

I don't think he was talking about the masks they wear in the car while racing. I think he was talking about the pit crew and driver when they do the warm up before the next round. they wear gas masks! and if you've never been to a NHRA national event, then you probably don't know why. You literally can't stand within 30 ft of a top fuel dragster without loosing your breathe and your eyes and nose running down your face. But, then again they are burning 90% nitromethane!

i race karts and we run of methanol not nitromethane but the fumes get pretty rough. i also pit crew on my friends supermodified burning methanol fuel. i dont exactly know about the fumes from pure nitromethane but from methanol i can stand right next to teh car for hours without anything happening. I've also fired up my nitro truck and ran that in a confined space without getting lightheaded either

 

[Traijin]

Top Fuel Dragsters run 90% Nitromenthane and 10% Methanol. The mix burns cold enough as to not start in the motors. Hang out in the pits and you can watch the crew hoist up a tank of high test to prime and start the motor, once it is chugging, they begin the flow of Nitro and it comes to life. The fumes are like CS/tear gas, except worse. Your nose and eyes run, and you get sick real quick. The pit crew all produce VOC filtering gas masks before flowing the Nitro. Mean ass stuff. But it has a ton of stored energy and most importantly, stored oxygen for combustion at high RPM.


Gas is for cleaning parts!..and Alcohol is for drinking ...nitromethane is for racing....

Traijin

 

[jschleer]

"Gas is for cleaning parts!..and Alcohol is for drinking ...nitromethane is for racing...."


I LIKE THAT! Very true! nitromethane is the $h!t.