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MSR4 Shock Set w/ Piggyback for Savage

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Well they came in! So far so good! And man, these things are nice.

First off, the shock shafts are 3.5 mm. Thats a whole half of a mm thicker than stock or the ones by HotBodies. While a half mm may not seem like much, side by side they feel better.

The inner diameter of the shock body is the same. About 10mm.

The stock pistons installed are 2 hole with an additional set of 1 and 3 hole piston plates.

The stock springs it comes with seem OK, but I may look for something stronger. Maybe the WFC ones.

I have tested the feel of 3 different oils so far, all above the manufacturers specified max of 25wt. I mean hey, its going on a monster truck right? lol Well with the 2 hole pistons installed, the 50 and 45 wt oil is a little bit too much. I think the 40 has a very nice dampening feel and should do the trick for the rear. I will more than likely run 35 in the front.

As for the RPM dual stage plates..... Sorry guys, I dont think they would work properly. I will have to drop RPM a line and ask if they are willing to make them just for these shocks as the stock/hb alum ones they work just fine. More than likely not. The E clips are too big to rest in the plate, forget about the shaft size.

As for installation, I am installing them with the RC Solutions shock towers and full cage installed. That being said, you can only install them into the lowest shock mount position available. That will leave you a couple mm for when the shocks are fully comressed. I'm just hoping the big air doesn't drive the resovoirs into the cage. Will have to wait and see.

As for the overall machined work, as usual, the Integy shocks are precise. No detail left undone. From the knurled/threaded upper spring adjustable mount to the hex cut at the top of the shock body, its the little things Integy seems to pay close attention to.

Fully assembled and filled with oil, I felt no side to side play on the shafts, which seems to be one of the bigger problems with Savage shocks in general.

The instructions are straight to the point with photo galore. No chance of screwing up the initial setup. They also go on to say that there should be no rebound in their setup either. Without the springs. But they do seem to creat a vacum internally, whereas when you fully extend the shock shaft with no spring installed, it will tend to 'suck' back in a few mm. I'm going to assume this will stop once the sponges in the resevoirs absorb their oil and I can top them off.

The lower mounts also are very beefy and not done half assed. They are actually thick and the mounting ball inside has one flat surface for the side where the screw will mount.

Overall, I'm happy as can be with the initial results.

Next stop, the field.

-Chris

Couple of pics:

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Looks great Chris, its about time you fixed up your Savage. whistle: I have heard some grumbling about Integy around the web. Are these new shocks better than past efforts? :
 
So far that is exactly what I am seeing. However, until I beat the piss out of the truck, I wont be able to say if the shocks 'fold' or not under extremes.

But I'm thinking all will be just fine.
 
I heard weak shock shafts somewhere. Again I don't own a pair so I can't verify. I know for the type of driving I do it would be just fine. Well at least as of late. How you like that roll cage it looks pretty beefy. Nice lookin truck Chris
 
I can't see these shafts being weak unless they chose a soft metal. They are bigger (diameter) than any shaft I have found on any Savage shock yet.. Once I get the engine back together and this beat up and running, Ill let you know.

As for the cage, I havent been able to put that through its paces either. I'm waiting for one of the side brackets to come back from a machine shop so that I can finish mounting it the right way. I will write a full review on it when done.

One last thing on these shocks. One dislike actually. Because of the size of the shafts, the e clips that hold the piston plates in place can interfere with the piston holes themselves. Which is probably the reason that anything above 45 weight oil is feeling like concrete. I may end up having to take them all down, take out the 2 hole pistons and replace them with the 3 hole that they provide. I dont know yet.

I also have one shock, that when fully extended, is binding. No clue why.

The 35wt oil seemed to be best so far. I may drop to 35 in the rears and 30 in the fronts. Then again, with the 3 hole pistons, things might just stay the same.
 
I was going to get a set for my Savage, but also heard of problems with them, mainly leaking. I would be curious to know if yours leak at all after you beat the piss out of them.
 
Leaking? Hmmmm.... These things sealed up VERY tight, they have 1 rubber gasket as well where the resevoir and resevoir cap goes. Along with 2 rubber o rings and a spacer where the shafts exit the shock body.

I have literally comressed these shocks easily over 200 times and have not seen any leakage anywhere.

I will keep you posted on that issue as well.

doesn't it suck, HPI makes an awesome ride, and because its shocks are sooooo big, its hard to find a quality set???

Grrrrr...

So far so good though.
 
Originally posted by Çh®i§tiªñ
As for the cage, I havent been able to put that through its paces either. I'm waiting for one of the side brackets to come back from a machine shop so that I can finish mounting it the right way. I will write a full review on it when done.

You Savage looks very nice. I have been thinking about getting an RC Solutions cage for my Savage also and I was wondering what you meant by the above quote. Is this something you need to properly mount the cage? Perhaps if you could take a picture it might clear things up.
 
Thats cool, glad to hear they are not leaking so far. After UE screwed up and sent me a set of Supermaxx shocks instead of shock towers, I was thinking of using them on the Savage with the New Era upper arms that allow for the use of T-Maxx shocks. But I think I will wait until you bash the crap out of these, since they were my first choice of shocks for my SS anyway.
 
McVick - Being as I have an aftermarket pipe and mill, the 2 holes on the side bracket didnt allow the nipple on the pipe to go through. The THS pipe is also a TIGHT fit with the cage on. I'm hoping that when I get the part back tomorrow, all will be good. If not, I fear I'm going to be shopping for a different pipe that fits better with the cage on.

As it stands, out of the box, the stock pipe fits perfectly.

NCN - I identified the binding shock and when all is said and done, I think Ill chalk it up to being my fault. I took out the shaft to see if I could get the RPM plates to mount up and in doing so, I tore up one of the lower 0 rings. I didnt think it was too bad, but I'm hoping thats all it is. Ill keep you posted.

By the way, I could ultimately get the RPM plates to mount to the shaft, after using a body post hole reamer, but the problem still remained that the e-clips would be too big to allow the plates to work. So for now, Id say its a definite that the plates wont work unless I can find a smaller outer diameter e-clip with the same inner diameter.
 
I have these shocks; I'm not sure if the shafts are weak but I have bent one of them. I was driving last weekend and hit something; the truck pretty much launched straight up about 3-4 ft. When it came down, it landed on the right side back tire. Here's some pictures of the damage:

http://adam.bdol.com/truck/index.asp?DIR=&Type=2&img=shock_one.jpg

http://adam.bdol.com/truck/index.asp?DIR=&Type=2&img=shock_two.jpg

Whether that's just coincidence or proof that its weak I'm not sure. On one hand, the thing landed pretty hard and the other hand, I've done that with my stock savage shocks and had no issue.

Other than that, personally I love these shocks. This is the first issue I've had with them.
 
Damn that's some great carnage dude. It looks like you landed pretty f'ing hard. Either which way shock shafts will bend unless you are running buggy style shocks with much thicker shafts. I personally still want a set of them.
 
One more reason I am glad I use the shorter beefier buffy shock option on my Savage. I have yet to bend a single shock shaft (T-Maxx, Savage, or my new buggy). Of the three rides I own, two are using buggy shocks. The other has some really well tested Associated shocks, but I am getting ready to part that sucker out.
 
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