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AC48
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Of the two I'd get the G6, can I ask how you got to these two cars? Not saying anything bad, I'm just curious. Good deals on them or something?
mr_bob
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Umm i say go with anything but the Kia
my firends own a spectra and a sportage and they both have constant problems
my firends own a spectra and a sportage and they both have constant problems
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If you plan to keep it until it is rusted through (3-4 years LOL) go with the KIA. I have literally seen people cry in my last car dealership when time came and we discussed tradein values. Never lease one, thats like burning money, as the only thing you are really paying for is the moneyfactor.
Pontiac G6 has lots of hype made about it, but barely are people as happy with them as they should. From my experience people are not too impressed with the service and maintenance issues Pontiac will always have.
Hyundai has the same/ or similar tradevalue issues but better value overall with the best warranty, if not leased or financed prolly the best deal.
Toyota : You may end up with a certified preowned vehicle for the same money and then it's also just a set of wheels.
Whatever you do, arm yourself with Invoice prices and do not let a 0% or very low APR trick you into the deal. Leasing is not what it used to be... Payments are low, but you barely drive, and never own. Leasing is the only way a dealership can go to get a unqualified customer to leave with a car that day.
If I can't buy it for invoice I silently walk, if you walk silently they will call you a day later to nail the deal. Funny, people who are loud never get the deals they wanted, because they attract a whole showrooms attention.
My tip: politely thank them for their time and let them know how to reach you (ONCE). I had a lot of customers telling me upfront what they want so I had a chance to let the stupid salesmanager know that he had ONE shot.
If the cramping & negotiations are not over within 45 minutes (incl. testdrive) "let's go home and feed the cat, honey"
Here is a link to a sales training website a lot of dealerships are subscribing to, it tells Salespeople how to overcome obstacles and negotiate in todays market. Problem: The last idiot crawled out of a trashbarrel will fit into a suit and can learn how to appear professional. Average income in my last dealership was $70.000/ Year the Top Dogs made around $100-125Khttp://www.joeverde.com/Home/Index.aspx
Good luck!
Pontiac G6 has lots of hype made about it, but barely are people as happy with them as they should. From my experience people are not too impressed with the service and maintenance issues Pontiac will always have.
Hyundai has the same/ or similar tradevalue issues but better value overall with the best warranty, if not leased or financed prolly the best deal.
Toyota : You may end up with a certified preowned vehicle for the same money and then it's also just a set of wheels.
Whatever you do, arm yourself with Invoice prices and do not let a 0% or very low APR trick you into the deal. Leasing is not what it used to be... Payments are low, but you barely drive, and never own. Leasing is the only way a dealership can go to get a unqualified customer to leave with a car that day.
If I can't buy it for invoice I silently walk, if you walk silently they will call you a day later to nail the deal. Funny, people who are loud never get the deals they wanted, because they attract a whole showrooms attention.
My tip: politely thank them for their time and let them know how to reach you (ONCE). I had a lot of customers telling me upfront what they want so I had a chance to let the stupid salesmanager know that he had ONE shot.
If the cramping & negotiations are not over within 45 minutes (incl. testdrive) "let's go home and feed the cat, honey"
Here is a link to a sales training website a lot of dealerships are subscribing to, it tells Salespeople how to overcome obstacles and negotiate in todays market. Problem: The last idiot crawled out of a trashbarrel will fit into a suit and can learn how to appear professional. Average income in my last dealership was $70.000/ Year the Top Dogs made around $100-125Khttp://www.joeverde.com/Home/Index.aspx
Good luck!
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i have a potiac and love it, i put about 100 miles a day on it, and have yet to have any problems, great car. It seams no matter what car you buy there will always be someone who had a bad experience with it.
jetmechG550
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Nice advice and a good perspective on things RevoME! One of my co-workers bought a G6 for his wife, she has a long commute and they thought it would be good for gas, well it's not so good. She was also in a wreck with the car doing about 35 when she t-boned a mini-van that turned in front of her. They had only had the car about 2 months when it happened but the car sustained serious damage and repairs came in about $10K. Now, I'm not recommending a KIA either, I had one of their models as a rental one time. Too me it was a car they were forcing you to put both hands on the wheel with cause no matter where I placed one arm it was uncomfortable as hell.
My take on leasing is bad, very bad. If you have money to throw away its good. Correct me if I'm wrong, isn't there a balloon payment at the end of the lease. Do your research on a used, someone else already took the hit on resale.
jetmechG550
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No balloon at the end of a lease but you do have to pay flor anything outside of normal wear and tear.
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hb1111
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now that sucks big time!!!
Tweak
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My mother has owned a Pontiac Bonneville since I was just a baby and I can never really remember her having any big problems with it. I do know she has gone through a transmission, but she has a lead foot.
As for the KIA's, people can talk all they want. Sure the resale sucks, but they are a decent made car. Finding stock replacements is a bit like finding a smart tech stock replacement tho, as they mostly use overseas wiring harnesses and such. They can be a pain to work on, but I still remember when the KIA made it "large" here in the states and thinking it wouldn't last three years...Well, here they are still running strong. they are very economical and will have varying levels of features.
As for the actually question... I would say go with the Pontiac. Simply for service and the name. They are very common here, and if you ever have a problem with it the parts are readily available.
As for the KIA's, people can talk all they want. Sure the resale sucks, but they are a decent made car. Finding stock replacements is a bit like finding a smart tech stock replacement tho, as they mostly use overseas wiring harnesses and such. They can be a pain to work on, but I still remember when the KIA made it "large" here in the states and thinking it wouldn't last three years...Well, here they are still running strong. they are very economical and will have varying levels of features.
As for the actually question... I would say go with the Pontiac. Simply for service and the name. They are very common here, and if you ever have a problem with it the parts are readily available.
HeartBreak
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I'll toss in another vote for the Pontiac. Not only are they decent cars, but towards the end of the Oldsmobile brands' life, the Pontiacs and Oldsmobiles were virtually the same car, just minor cosmetic differences. Just stay away from Quad4 DOHC engines. Once you hear the TAT TAT TAT TAT TAT of the valves, it's all over but the crying.
Altho, the Olds' Achieva I had was a very reliable car... The valves bent, and that ended up killing the engine. Cost of repair? $1500 plus labor (for a whole new engine). Bluebook? $500 in running condition. Not to mention all the other misc repairs that needed to be done (window regulator in the driver door, trunk leak, paint, window glass cracked, etc). It was cheaper just to chuck it and get another vehicle.
Ended up selling it to a junkyard about 2 years ago. The ouch part, only got $76. But they hauled it away, so I can't complain too much.
Either way, go the Pontiac; they're good and solid American steel.
Altho, the Olds' Achieva I had was a very reliable car... The valves bent, and that ended up killing the engine. Cost of repair? $1500 plus labor (for a whole new engine). Bluebook? $500 in running condition. Not to mention all the other misc repairs that needed to be done (window regulator in the driver door, trunk leak, paint, window glass cracked, etc). It was cheaper just to chuck it and get another vehicle.
Ended up selling it to a junkyard about 2 years ago. The ouch part, only got $76. But they hauled it away, so I can't complain too much.
Either way, go the Pontiac; they're good and solid American steel.
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Afterall it's a taste thing.
Both vehicles have their flaws, but as I mentioned some people drive them until the lights go out which makes it a bit better.
The last product I purchased from GM was a 1998 Chevy Lumina, which was build in Canada (the only reason I don't have to reach through a rusted door to indicate where I'm going...) but hell as a winterbeater a "domestic" product will do. That may have changed though
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Good luck and if you lease make sure you get the moneyfactor figured out.
I took two G6's in trade on small Jaguars, both went to auction with 16K and 22K miles.
We somehow refused to take Kia's in trade... LOL
Both vehicles have their flaws, but as I mentioned some people drive them until the lights go out which makes it a bit better.
The last product I purchased from GM was a 1998 Chevy Lumina, which was build in Canada (the only reason I don't have to reach through a rusted door to indicate where I'm going...) but hell as a winterbeater a "domestic" product will do. That may have changed though
)Good luck and if you lease make sure you get the moneyfactor figured out.
I took two G6's in trade on small Jaguars, both went to auction with 16K and 22K miles.
We somehow refused to take Kia's in trade... LOL
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rcnut143
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With GM's "smart buy" you can choose to pay the balloon payment if you want to keep the car but if you dont you can hand over the keys, or trade in the car at any dealer because your name is on the title. My mom also had a bonaville for many years and the only reason we got rid of it was because on the rare chance something went workng parts were hard to find so I'm leaning towards the G6. I'll keep you guys posted on what the final verdict might be.