I wouldn't beleive it!!!!

[CaptNitro]

Alright, I saw something I never would of believed if you told me. My friend I bash with just put in his T Maxx, one of those Phantom 18 motors. He told me the manual that came with the engine said to break it in the way you plan to run it. If that was bazarre enough, the manual also said the normal operating temp is between 250 and 360 degrees!!!!!!! 360 DEGREES???? Whats up with that??? The motor smokes though, he could run circles around my 2.5. Does anyone else out there have one of these motors?? If so have you had good luck with it??? I am thinking about getting one for my Maxx, but would like a little more info from some other people who have this motor. LMK Thanks for your input Steve

 

[SkyMaxx]

I believe it. I run a Fantom .15 in my T-Maxx and it runs circles around most .15 sized engines; so I would think that the .18 is that much better. If the opportunity presents itself, do not hesitate. Fantom makes great engines.

 

[SilentHunterKellen]

Sky, I think hes asking if you believe that the manual is correct.
And I would still break it in nice and ez...or else I dont think its gonna last long, even with 360º operating temperature.

 

[SkyMaxx]

As for the manual being correct, SHK, it would not surprise me at all. Depending on the material that they used for the piston and sleeve, the "extreme" high temps might be necessary to give it a proper break in. If you, CaptNitro, are concerned enough to ask the question, then I suggest you drop these guys an e-mail and ask them.

[email protected]

I am certain that they will be more than happy to explain it.

 

[CaptNitro]

thanks for the input guys, it just floored me when his manual said the normal operating temp is 250-360 I thought 300 degrees would bake motors. Anyway the motor sure is sweet, I think he paid 165.00 at one of our LHS. I might have to look into one

 

[CaptNitro]

Alright Sky I took your advice and emailed Fantom about their enging temps and they really threw me for a loop 8-0 I talked to a Jeff and he told me that as long as the carb needles were set correctly, the engine temp did not matter on the life of an engine Now I always thought that as you lean a car out the temp goes up thus shortning the life of a motor. he also said that airplane motors run 350 + and have done so for years with no problem. Also he mentioned that the lubricants in fuel have a flash point of 700 degrees, so therefore if you could run your motor at 700 degrees you would get the same protection as you would running it at 190 degrees Does any of this make any sense to you? Maybe I am just missing the point

 

[El Pirata]

Originally posted by SkyMaxx
I believe it. I run a Fantom .15 in my T-Maxx and it runs circles around most .15 sized engines;

Except the 2.5 which you found out from John, at least when it's running.

 

[kwong2001]

Originally posted by CaptNitro
Alright Sky I took your advice and emailed Fantom about their enging temps and they really threw me for a loop 8-0 I talked to a Jeff and he told me that as long as the carb needles were set correctly, the engine temp did not matter on the life of an engine Now I always thought that as you lean a car out the temp goes up thus shortning the life of a motor. he also said that airplane motors run 350 + and have done so for years with no problem. Also he mentioned that the lubricants in fuel have a flash point of 700 degrees, so therefore if you could run your motor at 700 degrees you would get the same protection as you would running it at 190 degrees Does any of this make any sense to you? Maybe I am just missing the point

That's bullshit about the airplane engines. If they were up 350 plus the fuel would burn up as soon as it got in the carb and you could never restart it. I would imagine airplane engines run cooler or the same since they have constant wind on the cooling head.

 

[El Pirata]

I agree that the the oils have a flash point of 700 degrees however when combigned with nitro methane in a mixture the flash point is greatly lowered since the two substances are combigned.

 

[SkyMaxx]

Pirata,

Yeah, when John's engine is running he can barely keep up with mine (when it is running ).

CaptNitro,

Hmmm...Jeff's answer kind of baffles me. I have no idea why he would mention aircraft engines and oil flashpoints. As for engine longevity versus engine temps, the life of the engine is really dependent on quite a few things more than just engine temps. Depending on the material used on the internals of the engine, the hotter the temps the quicker they will wear out from heat cycling and metal fatigue. Since, I am no expert on what Fantom uses in the way of engineering processes and materials I will simply say that your temps do not sound out of the norm, but they are a bit on the high side of things.

Since Jeff responded to your e-mail, you are golden. If the engine breaks due to the temps, contact him and I'm sure he'll work something out with you. BUT, he is one of the guys running the show over there and he runs the engines and helps write the manuals...I'd say that if his manual says temps upwards of 350 are normal for his engine, I'd not worry too much and just tune the sucker and enjoy.