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I can't get the engine tuned

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johnnynfl05

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Hey guys,

I need some help to tune my engine, its RS4 EVO 3 RTR
based on the manual the factory settings for the HSN is to close it and then open it 3 turns counterclockwise.

I did that, but when i turn the car on, it seems the car going on full throttle, but its not when i try to hit the full throttle it goes faster then it stops, if i hit the brakes it stops as well, i can't get the car to idle, i tried the whole idle thing without any success,

what I'm doing wrong???
 
What do you mean by "tried the whole idle thing"...

We need specific details to help. The RS4 specs a 1-2mm carb opening in the manual. Did you remove the air cleaner and check this opening spec? With the electronics on? Are your servos centered? Check the carb arm too. The HPI rotary carb arm nut (the brass one) can loosen and cause the carb to stay open.

What's your lsn set at? For break in/baseline it shoud be flush with the carb body.

Give us more details so we can help...
 
the LSN is flush with the carb body, and i checked the opening its around 2mm
i centered the servos like what it says in the manual, but inorder to keep the opening open for 2mm i had to change the trim so when i apply the brakes it wont shut off
i checked the arm nut its tight

i think the opening is open more than whats supposed to be
 
You have an idle speed adjustment. Check your manual. Adjust it so the carb stays open when you hit the brake. :cheers:
 
so when it says in the manual that the carb opening should be 1mm
is it like you can barely see it open?
 
Credit card sounds about right.
I saw in one of my manuals? Using a allen wrench to guage it.
The wrench was even in the tool kit for something on the car.
 
ok, now i got the opening not to close when i hit the brakes but the car still stalls, not only that, it makes a very loud sound and the wheels spins like crazy and when i put it on the floor it wont move when i hit the throttle it stalls as well,

last time it made some weird smell, i think its the clutch,

what do i need to do now, i started tuning from the factory settings
 
I'm not sure about the 3 turns out on HSN sounds a bit much. it sounds like your dumping to much fuel when you hit the throttle and thats why its stalling IMO. you need to find the idle set screw and make sure when you hit the brakes that 1mm hole doesn't get smaller.
 
in the manual it says 3 turns,

do you think i should start with 2 turns instead?
 
The way you are explaining, I'm not sure if you don't have radio problems.
Watch the servo's and make sure they aren't glitching.
Next make sure it rolls free with the brake off.

Everything OK there?

You are back to factory settings. That is rich. I work on the high-speed first. If it stalls turn the needle in 1/8 of a turn. Try again. Don't expect it to rev up real quick. Get it to run. May end up 2 1/2, 2 3/4? Every engine is different. Just keep an eye on your temp.

Low speed is next. I might adjust it a bit while messing with the high speed. Not much. Takes very little. Adjust the low speed because it hesitates when you throttle up. (It will hesitate if it sits idleing, don't go by that.)

Hope I helped. It is hard to explain. One of you guys want to jump in?
Study your manual. Be patient. If all fails take it to your hobby shop. Here are a few links.
http://www.rcnitro.com/rn/articles/ht_tunengine_01.asp
http://www.rcnitro.com/rn/articles/how_startengine.asp
http://www.rccaraction.com/rc/articles/hpirs4_3.asp This what you have?
 
First, remove your car's air filter (and rubber breather neck) so that you can see the carburetor slide from above. Then, remove your throttle linkage (snap the ball end off of the stud) from your engine's carburetor slide. Manually open and close it to make sure that it never closes past the 1-2mm that your manual suggests. Turn the idle screw clockwise to increase idle opening, and counter clockwise to decrease idle.

The reason for adjusting the idle position without the linkage attached is sometimes you can accidentially adjust your linkage such that you think the carburetor is closing all the way, but the linkage will allow it to close more when you hit the brakes.

Once your idle is properly adjusted, re-attach the throttle linkage. Make sure your batteries are fully charged. Then turn on the transmitter, followed by the car. Move the throttle back and forth, and make sure that the car does not "glitch" (cause undesired servo operation) when moving the trigger back and forth. Also, ensure that the linkage allows both the slide to fully close when you let off the gas, as well as opening the slide all of the way when you apply full throttle.

While you have the car on your workbench, now would be a good time to mark Bottom Dead Center (BDC) on your flywheel. Simply remove your glow plug, and insert a thin screwdriver down to rest on top of the piston. Spin your car's flywheel until the screwdriver has come to rest at the lowest point. Mark the flywheel with a magic marker (not on the side that the starter box rubs on) so that you can quickly return your car's engine to this position when you turn your car off. By doing this, you make sure your piston is returned to the bottom of the stroke, where the tapered cylinder is at its widest. This will ensure logner engine life.

Now that you have a properly set idle and know about BDC, review the following, as it is a few steps I have come up with, to help people grasp engine tuning easier.


All nitro engines are unique so no two will have the identical tuning . What works for one engine could blow up another. Here are my 7 steps to a tuned engine:

**Note** You need a temp gauge , for the below. I have an OFNA PCR gauge which Nitrohouse has for under 30.00 right now. Take all temperature readings by pointing your guage directly at the glow plug. All temperatures are listed in degrees Fahrenheit.

1.) Reset needles to stock settings, including the idle (you may need to lean slightly over stock settings to keep car running)
2.) Warm car up until chassis gets hot, making sure temps never exceed 250
3.) Lean HSN (high speed needle) to keep temps between 220-250 making sure smoke is visible between low to mid RPMs
4.) Lean LSN (low speed needle) until pinching fuel line near carb causes engine to stall between 3-5 seconds
5.) Check to make sure low end changes haven't made motor exceed 250, if they have richen HSN
6.) Adjust idle as high as you can without engaging the clutch (car should not move).
7.) Re-check above any time outside weather changes significantly, or at the beginning of a day of driving


The above ritual can also be used to break in an engine. Simply keep the temps slightly lower, say 200-220, do not make sudden throttle input changes, keep the engine below 1/2 throttle, and only allow the car to run for 2-3 minutes at a time. Quickly return your engine to BDC, and allow it to cool fully to ambient air temperature. Repeat this ritual until you have done about a half hour worth of 2-3 minute runs (not counting cool down time), and your engine should be ready to go.
 
I would check for glitching like DIgger suggested. I have a RC10 Gt and I would get it running good then it would freak out on me and not run right. I finally found I had a glitch and when I would get everything set the servo would move on me and mess up the setting, very frustrating :doh:
 
i noticed that when i hit the throttle the servo doesn't close it like its supposed to do
but when i turn off the servos and transmitter it goes to the 1mm opening
how do i fix the servo issue?
 
You could be looking at a couple of issues.

1.) You may have your trim on your transmitter misadjusted. See if adjusting your throttle trim allows it to fully close against the idle screw. If so, I would suggest rather than leaving your trim at this setting, that you zero it out, and adjust your linkages to allow proper operation without trimming the servos.

2.) The other possiblity is that your servo may be wearing out and not able to re-center itself properly anymore. Although, the way that you mention that it is ok once you turn power off, makes this possibility seem less likely.

Try moving the linkage with your hand, make sure that it moves freely, other than the resistance that it takes to turn the servo. If something is causing this to bind, that may make your servo have difficulty re-centering.

If you don't know how to adjust your radio trims, I would suggest looking up a manual for it online. If you are search engine impaired (many people are) try this:

Load up Google and type in "(insert brand and model of your radio)" and "manual" into the search box. Try to read the web site addresses in the corresponding results for a page that looks like it is a manufacturer's page. In other words, if your radio is made by Futaba, its likely that the page you want will be something like www.futaba.com/blah/blah.blah as opposed to www.porn.com/futaba.blah
 
I've found after breaking in over a dozen RS4 Evos that they all need a simple throttle return spring to help bring the carb back to the base opening. Otherwise they can idle too high or when you nail the gas they don't return to the proper idle and you'll chase it for ever. Go to the lhs and get a throttle return spring kit for like $3 and add it. I can take pics of mine tonight if it will help.

You also didn't answer my first question, where in FL are you? Maybe a member close by can help directly...
 
i am in st augustine MustangMan

pics will help if you can post some

thanks
 
with the evo's// 3 of my friends bought them and almost immediatly we needed glow plugs.
mine didnt even make it through break in. I started it.. finished a tank.. started again finished half a tank and then the car went WOT on me (wide open throttle) and i shut it off.. filled it up let it sit for a minute to cool down and then tried starting it again and the glow plug was finished..
 
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