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Well, my father and I both have the same love for photography but also realize how expensive it is. Even with our own equipment for developing. SO, after comparing a lot of digital slr's (Nikon D70 and D100, Canon 10D and 20D) we decided on the Canon EOS 20D.

FastEddy, I don't know how far into photograpy you are in to but in general I have a few questions ...

1. How do the funcitions of the camera compare to 35mm as far as push processing, variable depth, grain control, multiple exposure (is it capable?) and fast framing compare to using a 35mm? (I have the Canon F1, AL1, and A-1 with various lenses from macro to telephoto ... all with manual override. I never use automatic settings)

2. When using faster film speed settings on a digital SLR, does the pcture come out grainy as with high speed films using 35mm format?

3. The lenses seem to be rated differently for the digital cameras because it always says "equivalent to ..." when comparing to 35mm format cams. Why is that?

Eddy, which digital SLR do you have? How have you used it, other than taking picture of r/c builds and parts? I'm just trying to get a larger input for these digital SLR's while I am waiting for mine to arrive. Just in time for the first race of "Team RCNT - East"

Here is what I am getting, as described on Canon's website and I got it with a 1gig card ...
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The EOS 20D is what I've been droooling over ever since I 'heard' of its release some time ago... It is th ONLY digital SLR I'm interested in. I have a couple decent point and shoot digitals but when I'm ready to get back into photography like I used to be this (or the next level Canon EOS-1DS Mark II 16mp) /drool
 
yeah but at a cool 7 grand for just the body, i'll be drooling for a while! better get a towel and bucket!
 
7G was a little hard for me to look at it too.....I actually broke my Canon tradition and tried the Sony DSC-F828.....I'm not as into photography as I was years ago but this sony seems to be a good all in one package...the 20d is nice...I tried one at the bronx zoo last itme I was up there......I liked it a lot made me reconsider getting that instead of the sony...price won out w/ the sony for me.......the lens comparisons are based on I think a 1.7 multiplier...something to do w/ the digital lens inth ecamera itself......the pics are good even for higher shutter speeds but I had to get used to mine as it has a slight delay in auto mode.....you should be able to do multiple exposures (like sequence shots?) I beleive you have like 6fps capability on that thing....it's unreal.....you will loose quality in that mode, I beleive in any digital camera.....I'm still hanging on to my Analog stuff (some of it anyway) for a while just for that feature........You have an auto F-1????.....I have the old brass body F-1 and an AE-1 they have been around the world w/ me....I couldn't let them go now......post some of your pics when you get the camera going...I'm still learning mine and I got a lot more to learn......
 
Yeah, I still have the "new F-1" when it was still called that. I love it. Have to bust out the manual every time I use it I forget a lot of the features. I never really like the AE-1, I stuck to the AL-1 and A1. As far as multiple exposure, I mean double exposure or Taking 2 pcs on 1 frame.
 
I know some SLRs can do Double exposures.....Not savvy enough w/ it to say yours does.....cool camera man I know I'm finding all kinds of cool stuff on mine...one thing I noticed w/ the high end Digital Cams is the ease of changing functions...I can hold mine and feel every button while I'm holding it......the joysticks and thumb scrolls for the menus rock....I wish they had stuff like that for my old analog equipment......
 
7G??? The chepest "Reputable" place I've seen it is B&H Photo for 7999.99. I've bought all my "good" equipment from them. Their main office/store is in Manhattan.

As far as Double exposure I dont think ANY digi cam will do that.... thats what photo editing software is for.
 
I think I read somwhere in my sony manual it can do it....I'll check it later....the digi Cams are getting way more advanced in what you can do at the camera level......you know what they say "the best digital is trying to be analog" if it wants to be analog it should be able to emulate those functions.......
 
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7G??? The chepest "Reputable" place I've seen it is B&H Photo for 7999.99. I've bought all my "good" equipment from them. Their main office/store is in Manhattan.

As far as Double exposure I dont think ANY digi cam will do that.... thats what photo editing software is for.
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Yeah, I didn't think that digital SLR's could do that. Just a shot in the dark. B&H is where I would go for my camera equipment as well. That's where I got my enlarger from a few years back. 7000.00 or 7999.00, I'm still drooling over it! IF I was a photographer by trade, I could justify a purchase like that. I think the EOS 20D is fine for what I need. For the "quick shots" at get togethers, I have my Fuji Finepix 3800. Point and shoot for those quick shots at the track or for where ever I go. The main reason for the 20D is for when I head overseas in a couple of weeks. I still have to get a couple of good lenses to go with it, other than what comes with it (EF-S 18-55mm equivalent to a 28-90mm). It's an 'ok' lense but I'm going to need something more versatile with a smaller f-stop . !@#$%^&* these hobbies are getting expensive!
 
I have an EOS Digi Rebel, while it doesn't have all the features of the 20D it is still a nice camera, IMO and will do much of what our 35mm will do except double exposure. One bit of advice I have is make sure you get high speed CF cards. When your taking multi-frame shots or sequence shots of Serpent screaming by on it's way to victory lane the amount of frames you'll get will be limited to how fast the camera can write them to the card. You'll pay a few bucks more for a faster write speed CF card but it's worth it for the action shots. NJOY!
 
Man, I'm anxiously waiting for that big brown truck to get here! Can't wait to get my hands on it and use it at the races this Sunday. I'm sure there's gonna be lot's of action at the track.
 
Jetmech, do you know if the Compact drives write faster than the Cards do? I did a search and didn't really find what I wanted...my cam only takes sony media sticks or Compact drives....
 
Not sure, I know the Compact Flash cards have a speed on them like 4x 20x and such and the faster ones will have a little camera icon on them or on the packaging. Sam's is the best place to find them pricewise without having to pay shipping.
 
Just saw this thread. I have limited access to the internet until late next week.

Most of you questions have been (as far as I know) properly answered. I’m in no way an expert. I only know what I have taught myself and read.

The chip is not 35mm in size like film is. The Canon uses lenses designed for 35mm hence the difference in what gets to the chip. The lens is seeing more then the chip can capture. Its weird but your frame will be larger then what you shoot. I either just tighten up the shot a bit before I snap or crop it in PS. Most of the time it’s not even an issue.

Double exposures aren’t possible as far as I know. PS can do a much better job and there is no need. I highly suggest getting PS 7 and shooting in RAW if you want to get the most out of your data. PS7 works well with RAW and will open Canon RAW files without a 3rd party software. For every day shooting .jpg is fine. I haven’t noticed and difference in grain from one ISO setting to another. There may be but if so it’s not obvious to me on my computer setup. Prints on my Epson 2200 come out fine.

I do have one bitch about the Rebel. In sports mode, ISO 1000 the flash does some funky poop. From what I understand it’s a software issue in regards to when the flash is programmed to go off in relativity to the shutter. It’s a timing issue. Something about Pre or Post flash. It leaves a blur like the object is moving backwards. I believe the upper end Canons have overcome this but I'm not sure. http://www.edknapp.com/photos/details.php?image_id=89

DON’T get a micro drive. They are too delicate and tend to brake at the worse possible moment. One gig chips are more stable and don’t cost that much. I played around with a standard 512 chip and an Ultra 2. Took rapid succession shots and timed the write. I didn’t see any difference in speed. I believe that the chips are out performing the camera.

For macro shots, use a timer or remote. You know this already. Don’t get cheep lenses. You know this as well.

I look forward to seeing some great shots and PF work.
 
Thanks Eddy and to the others for their input. I feel like a kid waiting for Santa. Only thing is that my Santa drives the brown truck. Damn, where is he!?!
 
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UPSanta was good to me today! YEEEEEEEEEEAH! Geez, now I gotta read this manual. Kinda hard to do when all I want to do now is just start clicking away. Took me forever to find the screen display button ... it was right next to the screen... DOH!
 

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