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3 speed tranny for Savage?
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I said someone had done it... yet you don't bellieve me. Whatever, doesn't change my life any. and No, that doesn't make it "some kind of 4-speed". 4 Gears, YES. 4 Speed, NO.
It was on the old www.******************* that someone had done it, ask around there and you'll get told all about it.
It was on the old www.******************* that someone had done it, ask around there and you'll get told all about it.
Of course you can make it, but will it run like you want it? Did you ever see this truck running???
And 2x2 is still 4, you know? The standard 2-speed module has two options and the two-speed on the spur gives you two options, so you will end up with 4 options. A very, very simple calculation. However, it will be very difficult IMO the set the different shifting points, so you will end up with some kind of 4-speed...
And 2x2 is still 4, you know? The standard 2-speed module has two options and the two-speed on the spur gives you two options, so you will end up with 4 options. A very, very simple calculation. However, it will be very difficult IMO the set the different shifting points, so you will end up with some kind of 4-speed...
no, I never saw it ran. And I don't want to argue with you about the 3-speed... Think of it this way.... you have one 2-speed in the tranny. so that's 1st and second. Ok, so it's wound out, from 1st to second gear... then the 2-speed on the spur changes from it's 1st to second. Now everything is set into motion and both 2-speeds have shifted. How many gear changes were made? Two. 1st to 2nd on tranny, then "2nd" to "3rd" on Spur. It's not quantum physics here. If you stilll want to argue, you'll be doing it by yourself cuz I just got off work and have no patience for this right now. Like I said, believe me or don't, it's not affecting my life any.
Suppose you hit the throttle and the car starts running. Two things can happen:
1) the standard 2-speed shifts from 1 to 2 and then (later) the 2-speed on the spur shifts from 1 to 2. So two gear changes, as you said.
2) the second thing that can happen is just the other way round: spur shifts from 1 to 2 and later the standard 2-speed shifts from 1 to 2.
What will happen in practice depends on the shifting points.
So, the four opions are:
1) standard 2-speed in gear 1, spur 2-speed in gear 1
2) standard 2-speed in gear 2, spur 2-speed in gear 1
3) standard 2-speed in gear 1, spur 2-speed in gear 2
4) standard 2-speed in gear 2, spur 2-speed in gear 2
I agree that you can made a 3-speed with this setup, but only if you set the shifting points correctly. If not, you will end up with a very unstable 4-speed.
OK, enough argueing for today...
1) the standard 2-speed shifts from 1 to 2 and then (later) the 2-speed on the spur shifts from 1 to 2. So two gear changes, as you said.
2) the second thing that can happen is just the other way round: spur shifts from 1 to 2 and later the standard 2-speed shifts from 1 to 2.
What will happen in practice depends on the shifting points.
So, the four opions are:
1) standard 2-speed in gear 1, spur 2-speed in gear 1
2) standard 2-speed in gear 2, spur 2-speed in gear 1
3) standard 2-speed in gear 1, spur 2-speed in gear 2
4) standard 2-speed in gear 2, spur 2-speed in gear 2
I agree that you can made a 3-speed with this setup, but only if you set the shifting points correctly. If not, you will end up with a very unstable 4-speed.
OK, enough argueing for today...
lmao...
1) standard 2-speed in gear 1, spur 2-speed in gear 1
2) standard 2-speed in gear 2, spur 2-speed in gear 1
3) standard 2-speed in gear 1, spur 2-speed in gear 2
4) standard 2-speed in gear 2, spur 2-speed in gear 2
that's right, on paper it looks like 4 gears, but one tranny is not going to shift back into first and then the other into second to create that 4th gear. It just won't work like that. It'd be neat if you could control it that way, but either one or the other will be in first when the other is in second or both in second or both in first. Now I've just gone and confuzzed things. Anywho, if you want to learn more, look at the website I posted.
1) standard 2-speed in gear 1, spur 2-speed in gear 1
2) standard 2-speed in gear 2, spur 2-speed in gear 1
3) standard 2-speed in gear 1, spur 2-speed in gear 2
4) standard 2-speed in gear 2, spur 2-speed in gear 2
that's right, on paper it looks like 4 gears, but one tranny is not going to shift back into first and then the other into second to create that 4th gear. It just won't work like that. It'd be neat if you could control it that way, but either one or the other will be in first when the other is in second or both in second or both in first. Now I've just gone and confuzzed things. Anywho, if you want to learn more, look at the website I posted.
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hb1111
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2-first gears are set as one lower ratio,which is 1st., spur gear trans shifts would be 2nd gear,reg. trans shifts would be 3rd gear in which would have to be adjusted to shift at a higher point, but i dont see the point just put a bigger mill with some taller gears and this is enough it books ass!!!just my opinion not fueling the fire!!!lol
Just the clarify: I did not mean that the 4 different options are the way the shifting happens... I only meant that there are four options. So: gear 1: option 1, gear 2: option 2 or 3, gear 3: option 4.
You are completely right: it will not shift back from 2 to 1 when you hit the throttle. But as you said, "either one or the other will be in first when the other is in second". Two possibilities for gear '2' (and hence maybe inconsistent shifting for time to time) and thus I said "some kind of 4-speed". I know when you hit the throttle you will only have 3 speeds effectively. Anyhow, in the end we mean the same...
What I meant in the beginning is that using this setup, it will not always funtion properly, for example when the shifting points are close to each other) . I would prefer a true 3-speed, one tranny, if possible. Like the Shumacher Menace. But in the end the question should be: do you really need 3-speed in a MT???
The address of the website shows only *'s... Could you post the address again using the URL tag for people who want to read more about this?
You are completely right: it will not shift back from 2 to 1 when you hit the throttle. But as you said, "either one or the other will be in first when the other is in second". Two possibilities for gear '2' (and hence maybe inconsistent shifting for time to time) and thus I said "some kind of 4-speed". I know when you hit the throttle you will only have 3 speeds effectively. Anyhow, in the end we mean the same...
What I meant in the beginning is that using this setup, it will not always funtion properly, for example when the shifting points are close to each other) . I would prefer a true 3-speed, one tranny, if possible. Like the Shumacher Menace. But in the end the question should be: do you really need 3-speed in a MT???
The address of the website shows only *'s... Could you post the address again using the URL tag for people who want to read more about this?
OK, as long as we both realize that the dual 2-speeds is pointless 
lol
and the website I posted was not a direct link to info on this thing, it's just the forum where (before the server crashed) someone had done it. I tried to post it again but the mods don't seem to allow links to other forums cuz apparently they are insecure about their users staying to only one place.
loland the website I posted was not a direct link to info on this thing, it's just the forum where (before the server crashed) someone had done it. I tried to post it again but the mods don't seem to allow links to other forums cuz apparently they are insecure about their users staying to only one place.
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Wow...such a "heated" discussion over an item that is basically useless in an offroad vehicle.
If your purpose is to make this a street racer, then continue...but an offroad environment makes a third/fourth gear useless. It has been tried and tested and comes up lacking.
I wish you luck in your quest, but am really curious as to what application you have in mind for such an equipped Savage.
If your purpose is to make this a street racer, then continue...but an offroad environment makes a third/fourth gear useless. It has been tried and tested and comes up lacking.
I wish you luck in your quest, but am really curious as to what application you have in mind for such an equipped Savage.
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I don't see why that would happen. I ran my Savage quite hard for almost two years and the tranny never had a problem. In fact, I sold the Savage to a member here on RCNT and he is abusing the heck out of it the way he should and has not mentioned a single problem with the tranny.
Just realize, that if you run second gear only your torque and take off from a stand still will just plain suck.
Just realize, that if you run second gear only your torque and take off from a stand still will just plain suck.
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it would really suck and you will burn the hell out the clutch,why in the hell would you want only second gear,is this trans giving you a bad time?and what kind of driving do you do off road or on road?