How can I get the Infraction style power sliding setup with my T410 Rally?

[Leo.177]

Current setup:

Front Diff: 8000 cst

Rear Diff: 5000 cst

Front and rear springs: Red Carten Rally springs, manual says they are 7N

No sway bars, but they are available to purchase (1,4mm or 1,6mm)

Tires: The stock 26mm wide rally tires

Pic of the car rn:

 

[CertifiedMike]

Nice looking car!!!
What are you trying to set it up for? Are you racing or bashing?
What do you want the car to do?
Sliding can be accomplished a number of ways. A strong motor geared well, stiff springs and tire selection can all play into the amount of slide you get.
Its just that most ppl are looking to gain traction and prevent sliding.

 

[Leo.177]

I want to use it for bashing/rallying. I want the car to basically be able to do this:
Example
What I am planning to do is run thicker diff oil, put on swaybars, thicker damper oil and maybe stiffer springs. But I don't know where to start with fluid thickness, sway bar stiffness or spring stiffness. I also think finding some long lasting belted tires would work good, or am I wrong?

 

[CertifiedMike]

I want to use it for bashing/rallying. I want the car to basically be able to do this:
Example
What I am planning to do is run thicker diff oil, put on swaybars, thicker damper oil and maybe stiffer springs. But I don't know where to start with fluid thickness, sway bar stiffness or spring stiffness. I also think finding some long lasting belted tires would work good, or am I wrong?

It sounds like your mods may work.
Def do one at a time so you can tell which mods are doing what and if you like the change or not.
I believe light fluids will give you faster energy transfer and allow for more slippage. A thick oil is going to get you a 'posi' effect and should add traction.
You will prob gain a lot of slide in tire selection. I think the trick is going to be finding a sey that you won't destroy in a single run! I'm sure pin spikes would have you sliding all over the pavement but wouldn't last a full battery pack.
Belted will certainly keep your tires from ballooning at high rpm.
I guess I'd try the swaybar(s) and see what happens. It might not help the slide but might keep the car flat while its sliding.

 

[Leo.177]

It sounds like your mods may work.
Def do one at a time so you can tell which mods are doing what and if you like the change or not.
I believe light fluids will give you faster energy transfer and allow for more slippage. A thick oil is going to get you a 'posi' effect and should add traction.
You will prob gain a lot of slide in tire selection. I think the trick is going to be finding a sey that you won't destroy in a single run! I'm sure pin spikes would have you sliding all over the pavement but wouldn't last a full battery pack.
Belted will certainly keep your tires from ballooning at high rpm.
I guess I'd try the swaybar(s) and see what happens. It might not help the slide but might keep the car flat while its sliding.

I have 10k and 30k diff oil right now so I will probably try using a mix of 10 and 30 for the rear and only 30 for the front. I will order the sway bar when I order some new belted tires. But I will test only the diff oils first.
Right now when I try to slide it justs diffs out but that is probably not just because of the thin diff oils. It's probably also because of weight transfer and all of the weight going to one side and leaving the other sides tire almost in the air.

 

[CertifiedMike]

I have 10k and 30k diff oil right now so I will probably try using a mix of 10 and 30 for the rear and only 30 for the front. I will order the sway bar when I order some new belted tires. But I will test only the diff oils first.
Right now when I try to slide it justs diffs out but that is probably not just because of the thin diff oils. It's probably also because of weight transfer and all of the weight going to one side and leaving the other sides tire almost in the air.

If its already diff'ing out, I would try bumping it up. Thicker oil will help stop that.
I have only seen vids and read about belted tires. I have no first hand experience to offer there.

 

[Leo.177]

If its already diff'ing out, I would try bumping it up. Thicker oil will help stop that.
I have only seen vids and read about belted tires. I have no first hand experience to offer there.

I am guessing you misunderstood me, I did not mean that I have it in the diffs right now. What I meant was that I have a bottle of 10k and a bottle of 30k fluid that I will try out to begin with.
(I am guessing you thought that I already had put in the thicker fluids)

 

[CertifiedMike]

I am guessing you misunderstood me, I did not mean that I have it in the diffs right now. What I meant was that I have a bottle of 10k and a bottle of 30k fluid that I will try out to begin with.
(I am guessing you thought that I already had put in the thicker fluids)

What I mean is that if you have 10k, try 15 k... increase the thickness of the oil in your car incrementally so you can get an idea of how each change affects your car and if you like the effects or not.
If the car is diffing out, try thicker oil until it stops.
Once you get close to your desired performance, make smaller and smaller changes until you are 'dialed in'.

 

[Leo.177]

What I mean is that if you have 10k, try 15 k... increase the thickness of the oil in your car incrementally so you can get an idea of how each change affects your car and if you like the effects or not.
If the car is diffing out, try thicker oil until it stops.
Once you get close to your desired performance, make smaller and smaller changes until you are 'dialed in'.

Ok, as of now the diffs are using these fluids:
Rear 5k
Front 8k

I will try running:
Rear Mix of 10k and 30k, mostly 30k
Front 30k

Will use your advice of making smaller and smaller changes after trying the new setup.

Thanks for the help

 

[CertifiedMike]

Good luck! If you can, post a video of it running.
I'm sure there are lots if folks here with drifting experience who can help get that car better set up than I can.
I think you can get some of your performance if you shift some of the weight around on your chassis as well.
Again, I'm not real good at that but if you have a set of scales, you could do some tests with weights just to see how it goes.
I believe a fair amount of the "power" slide is just that... power.
If your R/C has enough power to break the tires loose at speed, the rest is learning to drive/ handle that power and how your car behaves when you are throwing its weight around.
Its drifting.

I also strongly urge you to poke around here... there are other ppl who set up cars similarly to yours if I understand your goals...

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