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The guy on here that gave it to me hated it so much he was about to throw it in the trash so I talked him in to sending it to me instead. So I can't personally tell you. I was on a hiatus from the hobby during the octane days.

Yeah, I need to figure out an electric conversion for my Sav Octane eventually. :)

Sounds like a good project for @cbaker65 :)

The old Savage X SS engines I used to have were Force engines too IIRC, Not sure about the 5.9 tho

Not me :)

I would hope theyre the same truck as before. I guess time will tell

Not sure why there would be haters. The Savage is one of the out of the box toughest kits of all time. I dont think I know anyone who doesn't like the Savage :)