https://www.ebay.com/itm/264995301627?epid=16044228897&hash=item3db2f368fb:g:PZgAAOSwutVf7MPg
https://www.ebay.com/itm/294227016196?epid=21045047038&hash=item44814bfa04:g:9E0AAOSwVutgx8bC
Not sure of those. I dont own a Kyosho at this moment.
Some optima history...